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17-1-2014 9:17 am  #21


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

Now I can see how the pasta maker will cope. Unused and in the original box from a local junk market for £5.


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17-1-2014 10:21 am  #22


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

Sir Henry wrote:

Now I can see how the pasta maker will cope. Unused and in the original box from a local junk market for £5.

I see you can get a shredder but what size should the cut be for typical rolling tobacco, 1mm, 0.8mm, 0.5mm?

 

17-1-2014 11:49 am  #23


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

Rizla wrote:

Sir Henry wrote:

Now I can see how the pasta maker will cope. Unused and in the original box from a local junk market for £5.

I see you can get a shredder but what size should the cut be for typical rolling tobacco, 1mm, 0.8mm, 0.5mm?

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20-1-2014 10:27 am  #24


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

If the pasta maker can't cut the mustard I'll just donate it to charity and buy one of these. Still waiting for my first delivery of whole leaf.


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21-1-2014 12:10 pm  #25


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

The leaf came through at the crack of dawn this morning. I've had a go with the pasta maker, but the first results were disappointing. The PM struggled to pull the leaf through it although what did make it seemed to be reasonably shredded. I nearly chucked it back in the box to take to the charity shop, but had an idea. The little shearing wheels were obviously shiny and slick so I got out a small triangular file and attacked them until they were all scored. This time the leaf went through easily and produced this

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21-1-2014 4:02 pm  #26


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21-1-2014 5:25 pm  #27


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That's snuff mate, have you seen the size of Sir Henry's nostrils? http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png

 

21-1-2014 6:12 pm  #28


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

It looks like the pasta maker did a reasonable job . Why do the strands appear to be in such short lengths rather than long strands ?
I know it does not matter as it needs to be ground up for snuff but I was just curious.


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21-1-2014 8:13 pm  #29


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

Can't really see the point of using anything other than something made for the job ... especially as fredtheshred prices are more than reasonable.

0.8mm cut  (pic courtesy of fredtheshred).


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22-1-2014 6:17 am  #30


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

Looks good!

After the stalks have been discarded and it has been through the shredder how much are you left with from the 500gr?

JMK

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22-1-2014 10:00 am  #31


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

The short 'lengths' are deceptive as they are mostly significantly longer than they appear in the pic, but that was just an experiment to see how well or otherwise it might work. I've since done another sample batch with much longer strands. Even so those original shreds were still a bit too long for easy further processing into snuff. By putting the strands through a second time they come out much like the processed tobacco in factory made cigs which should make them quicker to dry and then grind down into a very fine powder. Now I just need to work out which 'perfumes' can be added to make the final product more to my tastes. I'm currently leaning towards a bit of powdered cinamon to replicate the sweet 'smokey' overtones of the American stuff I bought a few years ago while in Florida.

SH: When did that form come out? Wouldn't an HMRC ossifer still have to actually visit the registered premises and precisely measure and weigh the HRT to levy the correct amount of duty & VAT?
I can see other problems. eg. You process a batch into HRT and pay the duty on it. Then while you've still got some of it left you do another batch, but the next ossifer wants you to pay duty on both batches. How do you prove that you've already paid it on what's left of the first batch? Even for bureaucrats it's a mine field of 'I say, you say' with the onus of proof on the wrong side.
There's worse to come. IIRC once premises - at least commercial ones - are registered HMRC have full rights of access without prior notification. Would this also apply to domestic premises? Wouldn't the same problem arise if tey turn up when you're part way through processing a batch?

Johnny K: Neither batch has been large enough (a couple of leaves) to be statistically significant, so I've not checked the original weight Vs the part processed weight. I anticipate still further, but much smaller, losses during the grinding which may or may not be balanced by the addition of flavourings. Considering on how much you have to order and how long it's likely to last I'm considering vacuum packing the bulk of the leaves and storing them in my second freezer. Does anyone have experience of this kind of long term storage? I'm not sure about hanging it in the long term as insect attack could become a problem. As supplied I've already come across the corpse of a 7 spot Ladybird in this delivery.


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22-1-2014 10:45 am  #32


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It's a joke, Sir Henry!!!!   http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png


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22-1-2014 3:10 pm  #33


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Don't forget that years ago they would send out revenoors to check the quantity and strength of home brewed beers, ciders and wines to levy duty on them. It was only when it finally dawned on the exchequer that the costs of the exercise significantly exceeded the duty returned that they discontinued it.
If we were all to mither HMRC with our demands that they reconsider this practice for home producing HRT (personal use only of course) it's likely that they would very soon make it a zero levy - just as home brews are.

Ps. Are you taking your 'joke' lessons from Warrior?


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23-1-2014 2:24 pm  #34


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

Johny_MK wrote:

Looks good!

After the stalks have been discarded and it has been through the shredder how much are you left with from the 500gr?

JMK

It's almost impossible to say - with any shredder- just how much useable tobacco you'll end up with. Depends in on which sort of leaf, what 'case' and how well you strip or cut out the stalk. Then again weight is irrelevant to those making rolling or tubing tobacco as it's a volume thing. But whatever the wastage is it is fairly minimal -especially when the leaf is costing you almost nothing in comparsion to the price of UK duty paid tobacco!


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25-1-2014 11:26 am  #35


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Has anyone tried making a cigar from this leaf? Although it's more than dry enough for any other purpose I have found that it's way too dry to come off the spine intact. As an experiment I'm in the process of rehydrating a few leaves with bourbon over a few days and then going to see how things work out. I've seen an expert hand cigar rollers carrying out their work on a couple of YouTube clips, but there's no indication as to the nature of the adhesive they use. I'm guessing that it's just a watery flour paste so I'll give that a go in the first instance.


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25-1-2014 4:03 pm  #36


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

Sir Henry wrote:

Although it's more than dry enough for any other purpose I have found that it's way too dry to come off the spine intact.

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26-1-2014 10:18 am  #37


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Nice idea, but the leaves are folded back on themselves so that they have to be unfolded before they can be stripped off the spine. By then they've started to break up. If they were flat it would be another story, but they're not.


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26-1-2014 1:42 pm  #38


Re: We like this! Tobacco Leaf £1.50 for 50g!

Sir Henry wrote:

Nice idea, but the leaves are folded back on themselves so that they have to be unfolded before they can be stripped off the spine. By then they've started to break up. If they were flat it would be another story, but they're not.

 
I am told that one way to make them more supple is to place them in a steamer over a saucepan of hot water and as the water cools let the steam work its magic.
You should then be able to strip them quite easily but you may then have to let them dry out before you can do any further work with them.


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26-1-2014 1:55 pm  #39


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Sir Henry wrote:

I'm guessing that it's just a watery flour paste so I'll give that a go in the first instance.

Then you'd be guessing wrong. It will be specialist tobacco glue like gum tragacanth or guar gum but Gum Arabic  will do the job just as well I'm told. Apparently non toxic wallpaper paste is good too and even coke if boiled down to sticky. Pectin is popular and you can get it every supermarket.

http://www.howtogrowtobacco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=216

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27-1-2014 7:18 pm  #40


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Can anyone here tell me if there is a problem with TL4U . I have tried email and telephone to contactt them and have not had any response


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