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27-6-2018 9:38 am  #1


goods seized

hi guys,
             my brother and i were pulled over by customs yet again last thursday and this time we had our goods seized which was 125 pouches of g.v and 3,200 lamberts for me and 120 g.v for him .The reason given for the seizure for me was that i showed the officer my SOT and receipts without him asking for them and i had empty pouches and fag packets to show him what i smoked on my hols.So my hard working amigos what to do now i have seen the sar template on here but want to know do we send off seperately or together and what documents etc needs to be in said letter. I am a bit worried as i am very confident that i will have goods returned.
 

 

27-6-2018 9:40 am  #2


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also we have fags and baccy here still do i take photos of these before we smoke them
 

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27-6-2018 9:44 am  #3


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i am worried as i might be to confident and will get a kick in the mush regarding my fags and bacco
 

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27-6-2018 10:42 am  #4


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Busy at the moment so I'll come back later with a full reply and advice. In the meantime someone else may offer an opinion.

Also I'll need to know what trips and purchases you have made in the last 12 months.


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27-6-2018 3:29 pm  #5


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DID THE UKBF actually write the reason for seizure down and did you record him saying that ?

certainly doesn't sound like a valid reason for seizure.


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27-6-2018 7:39 pm  #6


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he wrote it down as a reason and usual nonsense not as heavy a smoker as make out blah blah.I didnt record this as i forgot to put my device on pause and you have me and brother talking about his piles for several hours waiting for them to get back after initial interview lol.Well annoyed with this basic mistake.I have taken photos of our fags and baccy as should come in handy if needed
 

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27-6-2018 7:53 pm  #7


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the last 12 months purchases were 115 pouches amber leaf last november,20 sleeves of lamberts and 23 pouches GV in feb and now these purchases.Daughter had 10 sleeves for xmas and son had 30 amber leaf for xmas. 
               My brother had 100 pouches of amber leaf last nov.16 sleeves of LM reds and 30 pouches gv in feb,he still has all the fags as my son hasn't been down to visit and they are his xmas and birthday presents
              Also when we were pulled in feb we said when we were going away next and i would deffo buying baccy as i buy enough to last 6 months at a time 

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27-6-2018 7:54 pm  #8


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You'll each have to apply for a SAR. Not sure if we have updated our form but you now need to include a notarised photo. We are having trouble at the moment in getting SAR's off BF. One is currently overdue by about 50 days.

You'll need to send in a NOC and apply for restoration. We can't help much until we know a couple of things such as what did you tell them you smoked per day, how long the goods would last and how many trips you have made. That's just for a start.


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27-6-2018 8:02 pm  #9


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i said i smoked 80 a day which at this time of year is true ,The goods would last 6 months and the three trips in the year
                  Whats is a NOC? and have you a form on here for me to write out
 

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27-6-2018 8:26 pm  #10


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ok i have looked up NOC and will get cracking on this tomorrow.Is this the only form with a time line or as the SAR got to be sent in within 28 days?
 

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27-6-2018 8:56 pm  #11


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Noc has to be received by BF within one month. SAR can be done anytime but can take a long time to obtain as they disregard the law. Use recorded del signed for when writing. Keep all records and copies of everything.

BF will have asked you questions such as how many you smoke (80 per day), do you work in a non smoking environment. How many rollups do you get from a pouch and how long does a pouch last. We need these answers to prepare calcs. If by any chance you were not asked we still need answers to prepare an argument.


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28-6-2018 5:59 am  #12


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Also i suppose they asked you how you financed your purchases and if you could afford to give so much away taking into account the price of baccy and cigs. 
Did you manage to record any of the interveiw and were bf aware you were recording?


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28-6-2018 6:47 am  #13


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The following are extracts from a letter to me written by Sir Charles Montgomery and forwarded by my MP. It proves that a SOT or 'Statement of Fact' as he calls it, is a valid and accepted document.

Your officer was simply being a dick in using it against you.

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28-6-2018 9:17 am  #14


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ok i smoke a pack a day and 60 roll ups and i go through 2 pouches every 3 days .I wasn't asked how long a pouch lasts. I am a private landlord so don't work .As for given fags or bacco to my children this is not a big out lay in expense as i would spend just as much on other things for them but this sure helps them alot on their saving of buying ciggies from the shop.I am doing the NOC tomorrow(football later)and want to know does my brother need a seperate one or do we fill in form together as there is 2 people on the form.
 

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28-6-2018 3:08 pm  #15


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Unless you were interviewed together and have only one seizure notice for all goods, you will each have to send a NOC and each apply for a SAR. That is, if you both want to appeal.

Ok let's try and summarise the purchases. Correct me if I'm wrong. 

Prior to this last trip and after giving away some baccy and cigs, you ended up with 108 pouches and  5200 cigs. If you use 3 pouches in 2 days you probably roll fat fingers at the rate of about 60 per pouch. From 108 pouches you would roll approx 6480 cigs. Add that to your straights (5200) and you have a total of 11680. At your stated usage of 80 per day, as you rightly say, that is about 6 months usage. Those figures are quite credible and according to my partner her dad smoked 80+ per day (before he died of lung cancer!). 

So we've answered about the SOT and we have put together (loosely) a set of calcs which backs up your story. It would be helpful if as warrior says, you could include in your NOC financial proof to support you and maybe a doctors note to say that you are a heavy smoker. Was there any other reasons for the seizure?

If your brother chooses not to fight the case he will be subject to a penalty and duty fine somewhere in the order of £2500. That's from memory so a rough approximation.


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28-6-2018 3:11 pm  #16


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Forgot to ask, did you pay by cash or credit card?


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29-6-2018 9:02 am  #17


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i paid by credit card on all occasions as its perfect exchange rate and 0pc interest

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29-6-2018 9:09 am  #18


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i only bought 4,000 ciggies and i gave daughter 2,000 for xmas

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29-6-2018 9:41 am  #19


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Ant wrote:

i only bought 4,000 ciggies and i gave daughter 2,000 for xmas

Yep, I think I must have added in your latest purchase to the total. So that works even more in your favour.

Good that you paid by card, they can't say you bought goods with cash given to you by a third party. 

A note of caution. Be aware that you cannot receive favours in return for gifts as this is classed as payment eg daughter does the shopping every week so I give her a few cigs.
 


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01-7-2018 9:52 am  #20


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Forgot to mention there is a cigs and baccy calculator here in case you had not spotted it

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