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12-10-2015 2:59 pm  #1


Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

Prefilled in or handwritten for the prices and savings made on the trip. any preference.

Garry

Does that make sense. ?


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12-10-2015 4:17 pm  #2


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

mine are usually prefilled,but sometimes the prices change when you got there ha ha,only by 5-10p a pack,but worth checking.


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12-10-2015 5:05 pm  #3


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

I have a slightly different approach here.

I have consumption records going back to 2001 which I keep in files uploaded to ICloud and Knowhow.  It's nothing fancy, just Wk 1 - Wk 52/53 with a weekly total, and annual total.

With regard to trips I have numbered each trip, keeping a record of my purchases.  I take the cost of my purchases plus all travel costs and deduct this from the cheapest UK price I can find on http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/  At the conclusion of the trip I scan the receipts and keep them on file too. 

The trips are contained in a table and the savings for each trip totalled to give a total figure for savings from overseas shopping. 

I can access the files if I want to while travelling in the same manner as above from ICloud or Knowhow.

I always keep a buffer, so as to avoid running out and having to pay UK prices.  So my approach has developed accordingly.  It would be very difficult to precisely say how much I saved in one year, as I may be smoking purchases made in the preceding year.

I haven't studied the consumption calcs sheets available and they may be a better solution. 

JMK

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12-10-2015 7:02 pm  #4


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

I carry 2 years worth of trip logs which include purchases. Calc sheets we carry give a sample quantity of our goods, say 1kg HRT etc, to include Belgium price, UK price, savings and weekly and annual usage calcs


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13-10-2015 2:22 pm  #5


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

Yes we also keep all the receipts going back a few years.
Okay think im doing the correct thing.


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13-10-2015 2:27 pm  #6


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

N2Dgarry wrote:

Yes we also keep all the receipts going back a few years.
Okay think im doing the correct thing.


Garry

That reminds me, we also photograph the receipts with a phone in case they are taken off us by customs.
 


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13-10-2015 4:47 pm  #7


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

eezyrider wrote:

I carry 2 years worth of trip logs which include purchases. Calc sheets we carry give a sample quantity of our goods, say 1kg HRT etc, to include Belgium price, UK price, savings and weekly and annual usage calcs

Eezy, how do you carry these (ie) in paper or digital format?

JMK

 

13-10-2015 5:48 pm  #8


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

Johny_MK wrote:

eezyrider wrote:

I carry 2 years worth of trip logs which include purchases. Calc sheets we carry give a sample quantity of our goods, say 1kg HRT etc, to include Belgium price, UK price, savings and weekly and annual usage calcs

Eezy, how do you carry these (ie) in paper or digital format?

JMK

Paper - that way they can be handed over and they can keep them if they want.

Trip log is just a simple table headed date-route-method of travel eg car-reason eg shopping/holiday etc-amount purchased.

I prefill the data at the start of the trip. The problem with digital is that they don't normally have office facilities to hand at the interview point. It means handing over your device while they go off and download/print etc
 


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13-10-2015 7:57 pm  #9


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

I have started to carry an sd card and pc sometimes,i was once asked for a copy of the video i made while being questioned,so now i can copy it onto an sd card if they provide one ( or they can watch on youtube later).


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24-10-2015 2:32 pm  #10


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

Just a quick one, Do you also keep, If you where Stopped or Not and that the officer took No Furthur Action.

Garry


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24-10-2015 7:27 pm  #11


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

N2Dgarry wrote:

Just a quick one, Do you also keep, If you where Stopped or Not and that the officer took No Furthur Action.
Garry

I have been putting all previous stop/non-stops on my SOT, together with the results of them. I.e. allowed to proceed with goods or not challenged.


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24-10-2015 8:13 pm  #12


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

N2Dgarry wrote:

Just a quick one, Do you also keep, If you where Stopped or Not and that the officer took No Furthur Action.

Garry

Yep, goes on my trip log.
 


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25-10-2015 9:54 am  #13


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

Morning Eezyrider, Do you have the same wording as Shaky ?

Garry


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25-10-2015 11:03 am  #14


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

N2Dgarry wrote:

Morning Eezyrider, Do you have the same wording as Shaky ?

Garry

Doubt it very much Garry. My SOT has not changed since we first started using them.

I seem to recall you asking for a copy a while back? Should be on the forum somewhere. ( or did you mean calcs sheet?)

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25-10-2015 3:07 pm  #15


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

N2Dgarry wrote:

Morning Eezyrider, Do you have the same wording as Shaky ?
Garry

 My last SOT Gaz:-

Statement of Truth (3 Pages)
 
Page 1
 
To whom it may concern,
                                  I, Mr xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, travelled from Hull on P&O ferries to Zeebrugge on 23/06/2015. I returned to Hull via P&O Ferries 25/06/2015.
 
I shall record any interview by Border Force in full (see attached FOI ref 19924, 9th March 2012) and Border Force may have a copy if so requested upon payment of a fee to cover my administration costs.
 
I purchased 12kg of tobacco EU Duty Paid & 800 cigarettes, also EU Duty Paid
 
I personally declared and notified UK Border Force (CITEX) of my intended purchases/importation by email IN ADVANCE on 16/06/2015
(See attached confirmation of email receipt from CITEX)
 
I bought these goods for both my wife and my own personal use (incl. gifts) and I refer you to the following to show categorically that my goods are for personal use (incl. gifts) and not for a commercial purpose:-
 
I refer you to The Excise Goods (Holding, Movement and Duty Point) Regulations 2010,  Section 13, 3 (a) (b), 4  (a-j), 5 (b)
 
(3) For the purposes of paragraph (1) excise goods are held for a commercial purpose if they are held—
 
(a) By a person other than a private individual (P)
 
I am a private individual.
 
(b) by a private individual (P), except in a case where the excise goods are for P’s own use and were acquired in, and transported to the United Kingdom from, another Member State by P.
 
For my Wife and I’s own personal use (incl. gifts), bought in Belgium (see receipts) and transported by myself to UK (see details above)
I may have multiple receipts as a result of Customs & Excise Notice 477, This should not be an issue however as shown in a previous court case UKBA v Johnstone 22/11/12 Hull Crown Court, Judge Mettyear presiding.
 
(4) For the purposes of determining whether excise goods referred to in the exception in paragraph (3) (b) are for P’s own use regard must be taken of—
 
(a) P’s reasons for having possession or control of those goods;
 
Personal use (incl. gifts), bought and transported to UK by myself
 
(b) Whether or not P is a revenue trader;
 
I am not a revenue trader
 
(c) P’s conduct, including P’s intended use of those goods or any refusal to disclose the intended use of those goods
 
I respectively submit the following:-
 
11Kg hand rolling tobacco for my wife and myself.
1Kg hand rolling tobacco for my cousin as a gift
800 Mayfair Kingsize cigarettes for my Mother as a Gift.
 
My conduct will be audio recorded throughout this excise interview                                  (Cont Page 2)
 
Page 2
 
(d) The location of those goods;
 
Goods are in my personal luggage.
 
(e) The mode of transport used to convey those goods;
 
Carried personally by myself from P&O Ferry
 
(f) Any document or other information relating to those goods;
 
Mini-Statement from the Goole branch of Santander showing cash withdrawal of £1500.00 and current balance of £8861.21 after above withdrawal in my wife and I’s joint account
 
Receipts showing purchase of tobacco and cigarettes and ferry fare
 
Personal consumption rates of tobacco and savings compared with UK prices.
 
(g) The nature of those goods including the nature or condition of any package or container;
 
Goods were sealed and not concealed; they were in my personal luggage carried by myself
 
(h) The quantity of those goods and, in particular, whether the quantity exceeds any of the following quantities—
 
•    10 litres of spirits,
•    20 litres of intermediate products (as defined in article 17(1) of Council Directive 92/83/EEC (1)
•    90 litres of wine (including a maximum of 60 litres of sparkling wine)
•    110 litres of beer,
•    800 cigarettes
•    400 cigarillos (cigars weighing no more than 3 grammes each),
•    200 cigars,
•    1 kg of any other tobacco products;
   
 
These are just guidelines and there are no limits for the amount one can bring in for personal use as stated in UKBA’s current ‘Notice 1, Travelling  to the UK’ and the ‘Tax information and Impact note, Protect IL1, HMRC’ where it states and I quote:-
 
Notice 1 …. “There are no limits on the amount of duty and/or tax paid alcohol and tobacco that you can bring into the UK as long as they are for your own use or gifts and are transported by you.”
 
Tax information and Impact note, Protect IL1, HMRC … “MILs (guidelines) are one of a number of factors used by UK Border Agency officials in determining whether tobacco products imported from the EU are for a person's own use or are for commercial use.  They are not allowances - someone bringing in less than the MILs to resell is still breaking the law and someone bringing in more than the MILs for their own use will be unaffected.  All that is changing are the guide quantities.
 
……… law-abiding individual and householder travellers who genuinely import goods for their own use will not be affected
 
(i) Whether P personally financed the purchase of those goods;
 
Yes l did, see receipts of purchase and mini-statement slip from my wife and I’s joint bank account
 
(Cont Page 3)
 
 
 
Page 3
 
(j) Any other circumstance that appears to be relevant.
 
My wife does not draw any salary or benefits at all and is therefore entirely dependent on myself to finance her tobacco usage.
 
The 800 cigarettes are for my Mother as a gift.
The 1Kg of hand rolling tobacco is for my cousin as a gift
 
11kg of tobacco will last my wife and I approx 12 months and saves me a great deal of money when compared with UK prices (see attached Personal Consumption spreadsheet).
 
I last travelled abroad in December 2013 on a P&O Minicruise to Belgium. I brought back 12kg of Tobacco & 1000 cigarettes. Stopped and interviewed in Hull by Border Force Officer No.xxxxx who was satisfied the goods were for my own use and I was allowed to proceed with my goods.
Previous to the above, my Wife & I both travelled to Belgium November 2012. We brought back 10Kg of Tobacco and 800 cigarettes between us. Not stopped or questioned by Border Force in Hull.
 
I have about my person smoking materials and a lighter.  Should you require me to roll a cigarette, l will do so.
 
5) For the purposes of the exception in paragraph (3) (b)—
 
(b)“own use"  includes use as a personal gift but does not include the transfer of the goods to another person for money or money’s worth (including any reimbursement of expenses incurred in connection with obtaining them).
 
I received no payment or reimbursement in money or money’s worth for this purchase of tobacco/cigarettes or cost of my travel whatsoever incurred in connection with obtaining them.
 
l have now given all the information  you require re The Excise Goods (Holding, Movement and Duty Point) Regulations 2010, that shows my legally purchased EU duty paid tobacco/cigarettes are for personal use only and not held for a commercial purpose
 
Now please let me proceed with my legally purchased EU duty paid goods without any further let or hindrance.
 
Copy of this statement of truth to be retained by myself and another copy given to
 
 
UK Border Force Officer ………….                                         ID number ……….          
 
"I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true."
 
 
Signed …………………………         Print name………………….                date …………………
 
Statement of Truth (3 pages) received by
 
 
UK Border Force Officer ……………………….                           (Print name)
 
UK Border Force ID number ………….  
 
 
Signed …………………………….
 
Date      …………………..
 


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25-10-2015 3:11 pm  #16


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

Cheers mate...
Garry


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03-11-2015 4:27 pm  #17


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

I thought this app that may be of interest to shoppers:

Tiny Scan available on Android, IPhone and Windows phone.  It's free and uses the camera to scan and converts the image to PDF.  So might be useful for receipts etc..

JMK

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03-11-2015 5:03 pm  #18


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

Nice one mate Ill check it out

Garry


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11-2-2016 9:41 am  #19


Re: Consumption Calcs Monies saved by going to Belguim

Why you need to do calculations...
The BBC has just published a story on the fact only 2% of the public were able to work out the best deal on just four products when given four different offers.  With groceries you just lose a few pence, maybe a quid or three.  But get these calculations wrong when being interviewed by UKBF and you could lose your whole shopping, and even your car.  The calculations are not hard to do using a calculator or a speadsheet which can be downloaded off this site. 
Still think you do not need to do the calcs first as you can do sums in your head?  Well here is the quiz, see how you get on, and then ask yourself if you would have been willing to risk everything, with nothing to gain if you get it right.
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